FS Fluke 9100 with external keyboard and monitor plus another 9100

[Art M - Artfromny]

Just got this lot in and dont need it

2 Fluke 9100As, 2 external keyboards, one external monitor, looks to be 12
or 13 inch and is branded Fluke

Lot was purchased as is, working, from a vendor who also has a lot of
scopes, etc and the defective scopes were listed as such - nevertheless,
sold absolutely as is.

Ships in 3 boxes at 31# per, UPS ground. No charge for packing and
handling, I never really unpacked the boxes. Overseas shipping available
but its going to be expensive - I use Global Priority only, don't trust air
or surface parcel post

$750 plus freight? Trade for a bare 9100FT working, plus some bucks?

[PeterD]

On Sat, 23 Dec 2006 14:58:52 -0500, "Art M - Artfromny"

Post by Art M - Artfromny
Just got this lot in and dont need it
2 Fluke 9100As, 2 external keyboards, one external monitor, looks to be 12
or 13 inch and is branded Fluke
Lot was purchased as is, working, from a vendor who also has a lot of
scopes, etc and the defective scopes were listed as such - nevertheless,
sold absolutely as is.
Ships in 3 boxes at 31# per, UPS ground. No charge for packing and
handling, I never really unpacked the boxes. Overseas shipping available
but its going to be expensive - I use Global Priority only, don't trust air
or surface parcel post
$750 plus freight? Trade for a bare 9100FT working, plus some bucks?

SPAM...

Are you asking if $750 is a reasonable price? Why not just eBay it
like all the other stuff you sell?

[Art M - Artfromny]

Well Pete, one man's spam is anothers "Holy cow, I have been looking for
this for a year and here it is, no eBay bs, etc"

This post is relevant to every group on which it was posted; the equipment
is used in both pinball and arcade game PCB repair, and the connection to
electronics, repair, and manufacturing is obvious. SPAM is irrelevant
material posted to a group, or repeat posts of the same item in a short
period of time, etc. Learn the difference before you criticize.

As for posting the items instead of eBaying them, I wanted to give RGVAC and
RGP first crack at the equipment; I already know what they are worth, since
I have offers to part them out that add up to about what I am asking. Also,
I have a customer looking for an FT, and on eBay there is no way to take
trades.

I am not really sure why I even bothered to answer your post, and am even
more cloudy on why I am being so civil to one who obviously lacks enough of
a life to keep him from becoming a Net Nazi.

So my friend, have a great Christmas and a happy New Year, and try to
resolve to find a hobby other than following up on my posts - though I do
find it flattering that I have a fan or 2 out there that likes to keep track
of my selling practices.
--
Art

Post by PeterD
On Sat, 23 Dec 2006 14:58:52 -0500, "Art M - Artfromny"

Post by Art M - Artfromny
Just got this lot in and dont need it
2 Fluke 9100As, 2 external keyboards, one external monitor, looks to be 12
or 13 inch and is branded Fluke
Lot was purchased as is, working, from a vendor who also has a lot of
scopes, etc and the defective scopes were listed as such - nevertheless,
sold absolutely as is.
Ships in 3 boxes at 31# per, UPS ground. No charge for packing and
handling, I never really unpacked the boxes. Overseas shipping available
but its going to be expensive - I use Global Priority only, don't trust air
or surface parcel post
$750 plus freight? Trade for a bare 9100FT working, plus some bucks?

SPAM...
Are you asking if $750 is a reasonable price? Why not just eBay it
like all the other stuff you sell?

[Michael A. Terrell]

Post by Art M - Artfromny
Well Pete, one man's spam is anothers "Holy cow, I have been looking for
this for a year and here it is, no eBay bs, etc"
This post is relevant to every group on which it was posted; the equipment
is used in both pinball and arcade game PCB repair, and the connection to
electronics, repair, and manufacturing is obvious. SPAM is irrelevant
material posted to a group, or repeat posts of the same item in a short
period of time, etc. Learn the difference before you criticize.

That is YOUR definition of spam. The sci.elsectronics.xxx newsgroups
specifically forbid advertising. That is why the marketplace group was
created.

Here is the message announcing the creation of the
sci.elsectronics.xxx newsgroups which show that you are wrong:

<http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics/msg/13651a897337a7a9?q=Charters+misc.industry.electronics.marketplace+Discussions+Advertisement-*-*+only-advertise+sci.electronics.basics-Elementary-*-*-*+zz-zz+qq-qq+uu+Discussion>

Deny it all you want, but it is just more of your spam.

[Art M - Artfromny]

From your research I quote the following:

A forum for discussion of electronics where there is no such
thing as a stupid question. Beginners questions. Discussion of
electronics education.

So this post of yours that I am reading meets that definition HOW?? I
didn't see anything in there about limitations on free speech, spending time
correcting other's posts, etc

Quoting further:
sci.electronics.design Electronic circuit design.

"Discussions relevant to the design of electronics circuits."



I believe the 9100 is useful in design and prototype work

I could go on, but absent specific wording regarding penalties and
enforcement, these things that you quoted are mere guidelines. I can only
judge from the orders I get (and yes, I do often ask where people saw my
posts) that not all of the users of your group(s) agree with you.

As to the endless argument of marketplace vs discussion, on the arcade games
groups, where I do the bulk of my Usenet business, they long ago outgrew the
anal splitting of hairs about the relevance of posts; RGVAM still exists,
but is pale in comparison to the discussion group, and consists mainly of
cross posts.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion, as a matter of fact, conflicting
opinions may actually both be right when viewed in certain lights. The key
to me is that there has to be more to life than getting wound up over a post
that one feels is misdirected. Absent libel or slander, there is no way
that my posts hurt you. Don't want to read them? Block my posts, its as
simple as that. If you don't know how (which I cant imagine, considering
your understanding of the nuances of newsgroup censorship) I will be glad to
direct you to informational sources if you want to tell me what browser you
use.

Meanwhile, every time you or one of your fanatic buddies replies to my
posts, it makes them longer, last longer, and look even more impressive
since they get replies. Thank you :)

Art

Post by Michael A. Terrell

Post by Art M - Artfromny
Well Pete, one man's spam is anothers "Holy cow, I have been looking for
this for a year and here it is, no eBay bs, etc"
This post is relevant to every group on which it was posted; the equipment
is used in both pinball and arcade game PCB repair, and the connection to
electronics, repair, and manufacturing is obvious. SPAM is irrelevant
material posted to a group, or repeat posts of the same item in a short
period of time, etc. Learn the difference before you criticize.

That is YOUR definition of spam. The sci.elsectronics.xxx newsgroups
specifically forbid advertising. That is why the marketplace group was
created.
Here is the message announcing the creation of the
<http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics/msg/13651a897337a7a9?q=Charters+misc.industry.electronics.marketplace+Discussions+Advertisement-*-*+only-advertise+sci.electronics.basics-Elementary-*-*-*+zz-zz+qq-qq+uu+Discussion>
Deny it all you want, but it is just more of your spam.
--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.
Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

[Michael A. Terrell]

Art M - Artfromny wrote:


<http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics/msg/13651a897337a7a9?q=Charters+misc.industry.electronics.marketplace+Discussions+Advertisement-*-*+only-advertise+sci.electronics.basics-Elementary-*-*-*+zz-zz+qq-qq+uu+Discussion>

[Art M - Artfromny]

What is this about? I dont think that anything I said meant to demean you
personally, other than not having much of a life and too much time on your
hands - and since you are a vet and served our country, thank you,
sincerely, and I apprecite what you have given
--
Art

Post by Michael A. Terrell
<http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics/msg/13651a897337a7a9?q=Charters+misc.industry.electronics.marketplace+Discussions+Advertisement-*-*+only-advertise+sci.electronics.basics-Elementary-*-*-*+zz-zz+qq-qq+uu+Discussion>
--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.
Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

[John Fields]

On Sun, 24 Dec 2006 10:54:49 -0500, "Art M - Artfromny"

Post by Art M - Artfromny
I could go on, but absent specific wording regarding penalties and
enforcement, these things that you quoted are mere guidelines.

---
The specific wording regarding penalties and enforcement are spelled
out quite clearly in the Terms Of Service agreement you entered into
with Road Runner, and a sufficient number of complaints to
***@rr.com re your SPAMming practices could easily get you TOS'ed.
---

Post by Art M - Artfromny
I can only
judge from the orders I get (and yes, I do often ask where people saw my
posts) that not all of the users of your group(s) agree with you.

---
As far as the sci.electronics.* groups go, I think you'd be hard
pressed to find _anyone_ on these groups who would say that your
shenanigans here _aren't_ SPAMming.
---

Post by Art M - Artfromny
As to the endless argument of marketplace vs discussion, on the arcade games
groups, where I do the bulk of my Usenet business, they long ago outgrew the
anal splitting of hairs about the relevance of posts; RGVAM still exists,
but is pale in comparison to the discussion group, and consists mainly of
cross posts.

---
On the arcade games groups there is substantial commercial activity
and a continuing need for the devices you sell, and consequently
your presence and your ads are welcome.

On the electronics groups, your presence is welcome but your ads,
overwhelmingly, aren't.
---

Post by Art M - Artfromny
Everyone is entitled to an opinion, as a matter of fact, conflicting
opinions may actually both be right when viewed in certain lights. The key
to me is that there has to be more to life than getting wound up over a post
that one feels is misdirected.

---
Yes, of course. In order for you to do what you do and justify it
you must put the onus on the other person and try to make it seem
like it's their fault that they don't want your SPAM in the group.
---

Post by Art M - Artfromny
Absent libel or slander, there is no way that my posts hurt you.

---
That's not true. They diminish my enjoyment of not having to
contend with SPAM on what is supposed to be a commercial-free
newsgroup.
---

Post by Art M - Artfromny
Don't want to read them? Block my posts, its as
simple as that.

---
The point is, I shouldn't have to because you should be considerate
enough to consider the wishes of the group and stop SPAMming the
group when you're asked to.
---

Post by Art M - Artfromny
Meanwhile, every time you or one of your fanatic buddies replies to my
posts, it makes them longer, last longer, and look even more impressive
since they get replies.

---
Not really.

Properly written, replies to your posts will show why you're wrong
in doing what you do against the wishes of those who have legitimate
complaints, which will show you up for what you really are.

[John Fields]

On Sun, 24 Dec 2006 09:45:33 -0500, "Art M - Artfromny"

Post by Art M - Artfromny
Well Pete, one man's spam is anothers "Holy cow, I have been looking for
this for a year and here it is, no eBay bs, etc"

---
Well, in the case of s.e.d, it's clearly SPAM because it's being
offered for sale and ads aren't generally welcome here, as you've
been told before, on numerous occasions. It might be a little
different if you at least participated in some technical discusions
here, but the only time you show up is when you're schlepping
something for sale.
---

Post by Art M - Artfromny
This post is relevant to every group on which it was posted; the equipment
is used in both pinball and arcade game PCB repair, and the connection to
electronics, repair, and manufacturing is obvious. SPAM is irrelevant
material posted to a group, or repeat posts of the same item in a short
period of time, etc. Learn the difference before you criticize.

---
No matter how loudly (and often) you protest, in groups where
advertisements aren't welcome it most certainly _is_ SPAM.

Also, look at the number of newsgroups you've crossposted to and it
becomes obvious that you're SPAMming.

[Michael A. Terrell]

Post by John Fields
Well, in the case of s.e.d, it's clearly SPAM because it's being
offered for sale and ads aren't generally welcome here, as you've
been told before, on numerous occasions. It might be a little
different if you at least participated in some technical discusions
here, but the only time you show up is when you're schlepping
something for sale.

28 posts from "Art M - Artfromny" <***@nycap.rr.com>, all in
violation of the charter.


<http://groups.google.com/groups/search?q=artgames%40nycap.rr.com+sci.electronics.design&start=0&>

[Art M - Artfromny]

Mike have you nothing better to do with your time? Do you honestly think
that anyone really cares about this, and in the global scheme of things,
that it really matters one way or another?
Spend some time in the real world once in a while, you might like it
--
Art

Post by Michael A. Terrell

Post by John Fields
Well, in the case of s.e.d, it's clearly SPAM because it's being
offered for sale and ads aren't generally welcome here, as you've
been told before, on numerous occasions. It might be a little
different if you at least participated in some technical discusions
here, but the only time you show up is when you're schlepping
something for sale.

violation of the charter.
<http://groups.google.com/groups/search?q=artgames%40nycap.rr.com+sci.electronics.design&start=0&>
--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.
Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

[Michael A. Terrell]

Post by Art M - Artfromny
Mike have you nothing better to do with your time? Do you honestly think
that anyone really cares about this, and in the global scheme of things,
that it really matters one way or another?
Spend some time in the real world once in a while, you might like it.

Once again, your unending ignorance is showing. You know not one
damn thing about me, yet you continue to make these false assumptions.
I spend as much time in "The real world" as my health and disabilities
allow. (Anywhere from 15 to 30 hours a week.)

I spend most of my time collecting and repairing computer equipment
that I give away, for free, to deserving people. I do not chase every
dollar, like you. I have over 40 years experience in designing, building
and repairing electronics. Some that you will never see, unless you go
into space. I have worked in Broadcast, CATV, two way radio, Commercial
sound and high end telemetry. I troubleshot hundreds of MC68340 based
embedded controllers without any of the toys you push. A Tektronics
2465B 4 Ch scope and knowledge of the chipsets used allowed me to find
the problems in minutes. I have repaired over 1000 early COmmodore,
Tandy, Apple and other 8 bit computers over the years without needing a
logic analyzer. In fact, most of the early ones were repaired with a
$10 logic probe, and a 500 KHz single channel triggered scope. I dumped
about 100 intact Bally and other video game cards in the trash about ten
years ago. Some bozo was offering me about 15 cents per board. I
figured that if that was all he was willing to pay, they weren't worth
storing any longer. Hell, I was paying more than that per month to
warehouse them.


You are a greedy and selfish ass who wants everything your way.
Well, tough luck, Art. It isn't going to happen in this lifetime.

[Art M - Artfromny]

Too bad I didnt know you when I got in a mess of IBM reel-reel drives -
refrigerator sized - went with whatever was the commercial version of the
7090 (7080?)
Next time I get a few pallets of vintage mainframe stuff in I will spam your
newsgroup and if you pay shipping you can have it all - cheaper for me than
trashing it.
Then again if youre talking Tandy and Commodore and Apple you probably arent
into the mainframe stuff . . .

Truce? You give up jumping on my posts (remember the First Amendment) and I
will stop jumping on your answers.

And the real world I meant wasnt the workbench - it was the world where
everyone realizes "Hey dude relax its just the internet"
--
Art

Post by Michael A. Terrell

Post by Art M - Artfromny
Mike have you nothing better to do with your time? Do you honestly think
that anyone really cares about this, and in the global scheme of things,
that it really matters one way or another?
Spend some time in the real world once in a while, you might like it.

Once again, your unending ignorance is showing. You know not one
damn thing about me, yet you continue to make these false assumptions.
I spend as much time in "The real world" as my health and disabilities
allow. (Anywhere from 15 to 30 hours a week.)
I spend most of my time collecting and repairing computer equipment
that I give away, for free, to deserving people. I do not chase every
dollar, like you. I have over 40 years experience in designing, building
and repairing electronics. Some that you will never see, unless you go
into space. I have worked in Broadcast, CATV, two way radio, Commercial
sound and high end telemetry. I troubleshot hundreds of MC68340 based
embedded controllers without any of the toys you push. A Tektronics
2465B 4 Ch scope and knowledge of the chipsets used allowed me to find
the problems in minutes. I have repaired over 1000 early COmmodore,
Tandy, Apple and other 8 bit computers over the years without needing a
logic analyzer. In fact, most of the early ones were repaired with a
$10 logic probe, and a 500 KHz single channel triggered scope. I dumped
about 100 intact Bally and other video game cards in the trash about ten
years ago. Some bozo was offering me about 15 cents per board. I
figured that if that was all he was willing to pay, they weren't worth
storing any longer. Hell, I was paying more than that per month to
warehouse them.
You are a greedy and selfish ass who wants everything your way.
Well, tough luck, Art. It isn't going to happen in this lifetime.
--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.
Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

[krw]

Post by Art M - Artfromny
(remember the First Amendment)

Perhaps you should read it sometime.

[Art M - Artfromny]

Mike you have the stones to complain about **my** posts being SPAM??????
I just took a look at misc.industry.electronics.marketplace and found:

Queer Congressmen
Help support my heart surgery
Nude girls of several sorts
Bush the Terrorist
DVD Movies
Income for simple people
Let Oprah make you rich

You squawk about a slightly off topic post for test equipment, yet I am
willing to bet NONE of the posts above that I noticed got a reply from you.

Hypocrite
--
Art

Post by Art M - Artfromny
Mike have you nothing better to do with your time? Do you honestly think
that anyone really cares about this, and in the global scheme of things,
that it really matters one way or another?
Spend some time in the real world once in a while, you might like it
--
Art

Post by Michael A. Terrell

Post by John Fields
Well, in the case of s.e.d, it's clearly SPAM because it's being
offered for sale and ads aren't generally welcome here, as you've
been told before, on numerous occasions. It might be a little
different if you at least participated in some technical discusions
here, but the only time you show up is when you're schlepping
something for sale.

violation of the charter.
<http://groups.google.com/groups/search?q=artgames%40nycap.rr.com+sci.electronics.design&start=0&>
--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.
Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

[John Fields]

On Sun, 31 Dec 2006 10:53:52 -0500, "Art M - Artfromny"

Post by Art M - Artfromny
Mike you have the stones to complain about **my** posts being SPAM??????
Queer Congressmen
Help support my heart surgery
Nude girls of several sorts
Bush the Terrorist
DVD Movies
Income for simple people
Let Oprah make you rich
You squawk about a slightly off topic post for test equipment, yet I am
willing to bet NONE of the posts above that I noticed got a reply from you.
Hypocrite

---
Well, Art, it seems that since you can differentiate between your
posts and SPAM on misc.industry.electronics.marketplace, where your
posts are on-topic and welcome, you should also be able to see the
difference on other newsgroups where your sales-related posts are
clearly SPAM and unwelcome. Especially when you've been asked, time
and time again, not to SPAM those newsgroups with your ads.

Such being the case, one would think that tit-for-tat would be
de rigueur, but no... you continue SPAMming the groups you don't
care about while complaining about SPAM on those you do care about.

That seems to me to be pretty close to the _height_ of hypocrisy.
Doesn't it seem the same to you?

Also, in the sci.* groups, bottom-posting is considered to be the
norm, which you should have picked up on by now, yet you exclusively
top-post. Even Google Groupers should know better.

From:

http://groups.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=12348&topic=250

"Summarize what you're following up.

When you click "Reply" under "show options" to follow up an existing
article, Google Groups includes the full article in quotes, with the
cursor at the top of the article. Tempting though it is to just
start
typing your message, please STOP and do two things first.
Look at the quoted text and remove parts that are irrelevant.
Then, go to the BOTTOM of the article and start typing there.
Doing this makes it much easier for your readers to get through your
post. They'll have a reminder of the relevant text before your
comment, but won't have to re-read the entire article.
And if your reply appears on a site before the original article
does,
they'll get the gist of what you're talking about."


Have a happy and prosperous new year. :-)

[Michael A. Terrell]

Post by Art M - Artfromny
Mike you have the stones to complain about **my** posts being SPAM??????
Queer Congressmen
Help support my heart surgery
Nude girls of several sorts
Bush the Terrorist
DVD Movies
Income for simple people
Let Oprah make you rich
You squawk about a slightly off topic post for test equipment, yet I am
willing to bet NONE of the posts above that I noticed got a reply from you.
Hypocrite

Why yes, you are. misc.industry.electronics.marketplace is YOUR
nasty sandbox. If you don't want it full of turds, YOU have to scoop
them out for yourself.

[Art M - Artfromny]

John I thought Mark from Markline gave you enough crap last time you posted
to make you leery of RGVAC again - guess not :)
Merry Christmas anyway
And yes, before you go off on another pedantic rant, I realize that because
I cross posted to groups including RGVAC your reply on one of the
electronics groups found its way over here
--
Art

Post by John Fields
On Sun, 24 Dec 2006 09:45:33 -0500, "Art M - Artfromny"

Post by Art M - Artfromny
Well Pete, one man's spam is anothers "Holy cow, I have been looking for
this for a year and here it is, no eBay bs, etc"

---
Well, in the case of s.e.d, it's clearly SPAM because it's being
offered for sale and ads aren't generally welcome here, as you've
been told before, on numerous occasions. It might be a little
different if you at least participated in some technical discusions
here, but the only time you show up is when you're schlepping
something for sale.
---

Post by Art M - Artfromny
This post is relevant to every group on which it was posted; the equipment
is used in both pinball and arcade game PCB repair, and the connection to
electronics, repair, and manufacturing is obvious. SPAM is irrelevant
material posted to a group, or repeat posts of the same item in a short
period of time, etc. Learn the difference before you criticize.

---
No matter how loudly (and often) you protest, in groups where
advertisements aren't welcome it most certainly _is_ SPAM.
Also, look at the number of newsgroups you've crossposted to and it
becomes obvious that you're SPAMming.
--
JF

[John Fields]

On Sun, 24 Dec 2006 12:26:56 -0500, "Art M - Artfromny"

Post by Art M - Artfromny
John I thought Mark from Markline gave you enough crap last time you posted
to make you leery of RGVAC again - guess not :)

---
Nah, it just got boring...
---

Post by Art M - Artfromny
Merry Christmas anyway

---
Thanks, you too! :)
---

Post by Art M - Artfromny
And yes, before you go off on another pedantic rant, I realize that because
I cross posted to groups including RGVAC your reply on one of the
electronics groups found its way over here.

---
And to all the other groups you SPAMmed as well... ;)